Posts by Perfection Seeker

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Why don't you just leave?

by beroea in

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many still inside facing all the wrongdoings and still go on to the meetings, keep preaching the good news from door-to door and all the duties of the normal jv lives.

are you one of those - or were - that for a long time, what really what made you stay even coming to the point of no-believe in the chronology and the gb?

there were at time of facing the truth of the truth.

For me- my parents started studying when I was 5- so I was automatically "in". I stopped believing years ago, but continued to be a JW bystander- just so I could have the "luxury" of seeing my family & friends, and not being shunned. I was disfellowshipped- moved in with my husband about a year before we got married. I wanted to get back reinstated so I could talk to my family. Now, I refuse to go to meetings & be battered with all that guilt. I just took everything as gospel- that was how everyone viewed the bible, etc- then I opened my eyes & did my own research, and I truly believe that the WTS is not the ONLY link to Jehovah.

Some people stay in out of fear, or family/friends obligations, or not knowing life outside.

Noone can force another person in or out- everything must come when its right for YOU.

Melissa

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Lots of Jehovah Bashing in Here

by Perfection Seeker in

i think when people leave the organization, they lump it all together- jehovah- religion, organization, etc.

i am not doubtful there is a god, but just doubtful that he used the wts to be his one & only means.

just wanted to say that.

Perfection Seeker

I said this before, and maybe I didn't get my point across well, might not this time, either, but I guess if I have hope that there is a God- and I want to please him, and be greatful for his graces, and my life, then I live my life differently, knowing when I die- this life was for a purpose. If I don't believe in God, and think this life is all there is- well, there is ALOT of good, but alot of bad. If there is no life after this one, ... well, I guess accumulating riches, fame & fortune, friends, family- it just doesn't make sense in my mind- unless there is a reason BEYOND this life.

Go easy on me. I'm not even officially out of the clutches of the organization. Every day- I get healed and a little further in my progress, but just like I've said before- I have NO intentions of trying to get my family out- it works for them- and they are happy. In the same way, I NEED to believe there is a God, for me, for now-

Thanks everyone!

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No Future

by Perfection Seeker in

i think it is sad how witnesses don't think future.

they don't save for a rainy day, don't plan for retirement, don't get higher education, alot are overweight, thinking why bother, don't worry about their health, etc.

and, have you notice, they almost try to get people to have low self esteem?

Perfection Seeker

I was fat & helpless in the organization, that is how my parents wanted me. I am not fat or helpless now, have gone to college, and am very happy. Yes, alot of people are overweight in this country- I just mean for witnesses, they seem to think it doesn't matter- cause you don't want to look good, and have people look at you, plus the end is coming, blah blah blah. I shouldn't have said that about the overweight thing, but in my hall- it was a big deal! In fact, skinny people studied, became witnesses & got fat. Its like the motivation to care or of your appearance changes. No big mac in my hand- but you have a right to say that- no problem! :-) Can't figure out how to post a picture, or I would- might even go get a big mac for the picture :-)

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No Future

by Perfection Seeker in

i think it is sad how witnesses don't think future.

they don't save for a rainy day, don't plan for retirement, don't get higher education, alot are overweight, thinking why bother, don't worry about their health, etc.

and, have you notice, they almost try to get people to have low self esteem?

Perfection Seeker

I think it is sad how witnesses don't think FUTURE. They don't save for a rainy day, don't plan for retirement, don't get higher education, ALOT are overweight, thinking why bother, don't worry about their health, etc.

AND, have you notice, they almost TRY to get people to have low self esteem? Like feeling worthless about yourself is going to make you a better Christian somehow?

No birthdays- because that focuses on you, no clapping for reinstatements, no parties for reinstatements or babtism. You'd think getting babtized or reinstated would be cause for rejoicing. "Even the angels rejoice at a sinner that repents" Or whatever that is- been awhile-lol.

When I was "in" they had me fat, uneducated, such low self esteem & sense of worth, and feeling like I couldn't live without the organization.

In my congregation, there was ALOT of overweight people, like very overweight- 300- 500 pounds- and you'd think since they take the bible so literal- they'd believe the gluttony is a sin thing, but I guess not.

Anyone have comments, or similar feelings?

Melissa

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Age Sex Location Occupation Anyone?

by Perfection Seeker in

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33 female iowa massage therapist happily married no children (yet).

anyone else?

Perfection Seeker

33 Female Iowa Massage Therapist Happily Married No children (YET)

Anyone else? :-)

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Lots of Jehovah Bashing in Here

by Perfection Seeker in

i think when people leave the organization, they lump it all together- jehovah- religion, organization, etc.

i am not doubtful there is a god, but just doubtful that he used the wts to be his one & only means.

just wanted to say that.

Perfection Seeker

Maybe for ME, I NEED to believe in God- otherwise- I would say- what is the point of living? I mean, life can be good- but if it isn't for any purpose- why suffer? Why grow old & die- why battle disease, why have children- only to bring them up in this crazy world.

Someone said- how do I know it isn't me answering my own prayers? Well, I didn't pray for 7 years, and then when I started, I started getting answers. I would try to solve something, then pray about it, and it would come to me.

Whatever the real answer is- I don't know. For me, I have to believe in God- and want to believe in God- and that works for me. For some, not believing is better. Just like when you're in the organization & have doubts or hear about "apostates" or whatever- you shut it out- or don't WANT to know or hear. I don't want to not believe in God. I need a god.

Sometimes it gets so mind boggling- the whole life, creation, evolution, heaven, hell, blah blah blah- it could send you to a mental ward!

Thanks for the posts & thanks for not being hard on me.

MElissa

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VENTING!!!!

by SoulJah in

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after reading marylin's post about dicipline, i'm feeling all worked up, as i can totally relate to the cild that is being beat.

especially at the meetings.. anyway, it makes me want to go back to the meetings to keep an eye out for those type of parents that like to hit there kids; and when i see it happening i think i'll take the liberty of walking up behind that parent and wacking him upside his head.. anyone want to help?.

f%$k them f%$#ing f#%ks!!!!!!

Perfection Seeker

I'd be with you- except that means we'd have to sit through the meetings in order to do it!! :-) I think more social service people should go under the disguise of a studying or visiting person- and see what REALLY goes on! I used to get beat SOOOOOO bad at the meetings! I remember one time I was sleeping- and they started saying prayer- so my mom yanked me up- and I was falling over- sleeping- and my brother said something to me- and I said SHUT UP- and of course that was during a prayer- and I said it loudly- I couldn't sit for a week after that! Yes, I am all for helping out those poor children- and yes, I'd like to smack a few of the parents- but I don't want to have to sit through the meetings to do it! :-) BUT, if you do- could you videotape it for us?? :-) (Oh, my sister has two VERY young children- when they were 1 & 2, an elder told her she needs to do SOMETHING to keep them quiet- and if it required a spanking, maybe that would get the picture through to them. She didn't take that very well!)

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Sick kids at the KH

by Sadie5 in

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this always irked me, when little children were brought to the meetings and they were sick.

i remember one little girl would cough through an entire meeting.

they brought her like that for months, they said they didn't know what was wrong with her.

Perfection Seeker

Our hall was all full of show-you went to meetings no matter what! I mean, even chicken pox- you just sat back in the library. People would show up with high fevers, contagious, etc. They stressed meeting attendance sooo much, that like- if someone JUST had a baby- the husband STILL came while the wife was in the hospital, and if the wife got out on a meeting night- she's be there- no if ands or butts! What a crock.

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Lots of Jehovah Bashing in Here

by Perfection Seeker in

i think when people leave the organization, they lump it all together- jehovah- religion, organization, etc.

i am not doubtful there is a god, but just doubtful that he used the wts to be his one & only means.

just wanted to say that.

Perfection Seeker

Well, good answers in here. Someone asked how I know it is Jehovah that blessed me. Well, I know it is God- whatever name you want to use. I have a really good life- brand new house, Mercedes, good bank account- blah blah blah. BUT, that is not from God (in my opinion) I think it is because my husband & I work hard. But, the things I know are from God- are when I pray for answers that I cannot get on my own, or when I am having trouble I can't deal with on my own, and I pray for help & guidance- and I receive it! Without prayer- I couldn't get the answers. I guess when I was a witness, I never really had a relationship with Jehovah- in fact, when I prayed- it was like there was NOONE listening. After I left- I didn't care. Recently- like less than a year ago- I started praying & TRYING to be more christian, and when I prayed & studied the bible, I "FELT" like it was answered, and "felt" like I had a relationship with God.

I don't have all the answers. I guess to me- I can't believe some big bang theory & no god. Everything- even BIRTH is too perfect for an accident.
Some people say the bible is a crock. Well, man wrote it- so maybe it isn't perfect or mistranslated, but it is all we have. I guess I would see no point in living if I didn't believe there was a purpose, or a REASON to be good. If people all believed there was no god- then they would be able to murder, commit adultery- have no consequences. What would be the point?

I like the bumper sticker "If you live your life like there's no god- then you better be right!"

I think when people don't believe in god- its because they don't want to. I mean, they want no responsibility or higher accountability for their actions. Its the easy way out. I lived like that for 7 years- so I didn't feel a higher power- no reason NOT to experiment with sex, some pot, drinking, it just didn't matter. Then, I realized my life was zilch without God & a purpose in my life.

I don't blame people for not believing in God. There is alot of crap in this world- and people think why would God allow it?

I don't have all the answers. The original purpose of this post- was just to say I hope people give (gave) God a chance- it is SO easy to say "To hell with God & religion" after being burned by the witnesses. But, it isn't Gods fault he is misrepresented by a cult.

Someone posted "If we are like dust- what does it matter to god. Does he have a self esteem problem" We all have the freedom to serve God or not- he doesn't make us. Its called free will. Of course he would love us to serve him, but he doesn't make us.

I guess I am just going round & round here- and it is late- so might not be making sense. I tried to live for 7 years without god- and didn't like it at all. Doesn't work for me- but if it works for some people, that is their choice. I guess if I am wrong, who does it hurt? If I am right, it pays off in the end! :-) Living your life in a good christian way- even if just for your current life- it helps you lead a better life.

Where do nonchristians, and those who don't believe in god feel they are going when they die? What is the purpose of having children if it is just to live a crappy life then die? Just curious- really. My mind was closed from age 5-33- it is only recently opening up to hear other peoples views, so really, enlighten me!

Thanks!

MElissa

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Have you partaken?

by writerpen in

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this sunday will be my first partaking of the bread and wine at communion.

almost a year after having come away from the dubs and i'm just now feeling "safe" to partake.

so for those of you who have experienced this already, what do i do if i drop the bread on the floor by accident?

Perfection Seeker

I hear you! I am not "officially" out of the organization, or at least they don't know I am-lol- the new church we go to has you take a course, 10 week classes before you can become a member- then once you're a member- you can partake. Well, we finished the class- put a hold on the membership- I am freaking out just a little- and the partaking- such a mental block about it! Yet, nowhere in the bible does it say only once a year, or only certain people should partake, yet when the day DOES come- I'll be scared to death! GOOD LUCK! Let us know how it goes!